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Resources Gallery Makeover (REMINDER)

Sat Mar 16, 2013, 11:02 AM

So all those sub cats...



Its no secret that the stock and resources gallery is HUGE.  On a scale thats intimidating, complicated and a bit like a bottomless pit of sub, sub, sub, sub, sub cats.

Last year we were very lucky to have a bit of a makeover job in Resources/Fonts and Resources/Stock, however, we are looking with "new deviant's eyes" (Yes, we kidnapped new deviants and stole their eyeballs) to look at our gallery long and hard.  HARD.

You can read more about whats going on with this huge project here - fav.me/d5xccty

What we'd love to get from you guys



Feedback and suggestions! 
Do you know of sub cats that are completely obsolete that we could tidy up and get rid of?
Are there dark alleyways hidden in the maze of resources sub cats that need a light shining on them?
Can some categories be merged, or renamed to make them more logical/useful to todays deviant community?

Shortly we will be posting a links journal to all the different galleries so you can head out into the wider DAverse to find out whats happening in other places and to add your thoughts and comments.
:new: Main journal has now been posted here -
REMINDER Gallery Makeover Project JournalsGreetings Deviants! 
As I have no doubt most of you have heard from Moonbeam13's journal, a lot of the galleries here on DeviantART are having a makeover. This largely consists of merging and getting rid of categories, but please take a read of the original journal for more details. :)
I am sure a lot of you have seen these gallery makeover journals floating around already, but here is a definitive list of all the journals so far. Please note that not all galleries are on this list, more may be added later. Also some of these links may be updated in future, and we'll be sure to update the link here as neccessary. :la:
Please comment on the appropriate journals for each area if you have an opinion as to how each gallery can be updated. Remember the more opinions the better so share this journal, and lets get as much of the community involved as we can! :dummy:
Trad. Typography


Go check out the suggestions for improvements across the other galleries on the site!!

Here though we are concentrating on the stock and resources gallery, so please keep your suggestions/comments on topic! :)

Resources/Fonts..



Since the resources/fonts category is quite complicated, we've once again bribed pica-ae to post a journal specifically for it here - fav.me/d5xfsw5  So if you have suggestions specifically for the fonts category, please post your comments over there so we can more easily keep track :)

Resources/Fractal Resources



:new: Our lovely SaTaNiA has done a Fractal specific Gallery Makeover journal here - fav.me/d5yfv60 so if you use the fractal resources gallery, or have suggestions on improvements, please pop over there to post your comments! :thumbsup:

Resources/Line Art & Character Sheets



The vast majority of character sheets submitted to this gallery are miscats.  IE they are filled out with the details of an individual character rather than being a BLANK sheet for other artists to use.  Completed character reference sheets need to be submitted to a more appropriate digital/traditional/mixed media gallery.  

Digital Art and Application Reference Tutorials



For a long time the Resources/Tutorials/Digital Art (OR Application Reference)  galleries have been something of a minefield, with miscats and confused deviants scattered across the landscape.  There are a plethora of duplicated software sub cats and completely obsolete areas that now exist that we would like to get sorted once and for all.

Issue -  Currently the tutorials gallery is organized by tutorial content EG Application Reference, or Digital Art Which means there are multiple sub cats - for example Photoshop, that appear to have no difference whatsoever in the submission type despite the location of the parent category.

Proposed Solution - Instead of having tutorials classified by what they are about, we propose to turn things around on their head, and make the tutorials gallery classified by the software you want to use.  So, instead of having tutorials for Photoshop in 5 different locations, you will now have 1 main Photoshop tutorial gallery. Within that Photoshop Tutorial gallery will be sub categories for tutorials on using Photoshops tools, Tutorials on how to draw and paint using Photoshop etc - for each major piece of software. 


Current Gallery Layout for PS Tuts


Resources/Tutorials/
........Application Reference/
..................Photoshop
Resources/Tutorials/   
........Digital Art/
................Drawing & Painting/
..........................Photoshop
Resources/Tutorials/   
........Digital Art/
...............Photomanipulation/
.......................Photoshop
Resources/Tutorials/   
.......Digital Art/
.............Pixel Art/
.....................Photoshop
Resources/Tutorials/   
.......Digital Art/
..............Vector Art/
.......................Photoshop

Proposed Gallery Layout for PS Tuts


Resources/tutorials/
........Digital Art/
...............Photoshop/
.......................Software Tools
.......................Drawing & Painting
.......................Photomanipulation &
                       Photo Editing
.......................Vector, Vexel &
                       Pixel Art
.......................Other





Pros
More logical layout/gallery tree
Fewer chances of miscats.
Generic tutorials that do not mention any specific software can be placed in the same format, without the gallery loosing continuity.
Cons
Many pieces of software available - some in very niche areas which will have to be placed into an "other software" sub cat

Artisan Crafts Tutorials



Issue For a long time Artisan Crafts has been woefully neglected with next to no helpful sub categories to aid artists drill down to more specific areas they are interested in

Proposal  The addition of some new sub categories to the following effect:


Current Gallery Layout for Artisan Crafts Tutorials


Resources/Tutorials/
........Artisan Crafts/
...............Culinary Arts (existing)
...............Recipes (existing)
...............Other (existing)
:new:.......Textiles, needlework & plush toys
:new:.......Metal and Wood Working
:new:.......Costumery and Props
:new:.......Sculpting
:new:.......Jewelry
:new:.......Papercraft



Pros - More clarity for Artisan Crafts Tutorials
Cons - Are more sub categories actually needed?

Devious Suggestions



:new: These are some of the suggestions currently put forward:

:bulletpink: Update Application Resources/Photoshop .PSD files title to: ".psd and .png files" (or similar) Suggested by CelticStrm-Stock and Thy-Darkest-Hour

:bulletpink: Merge Application Resources/Photoshop Custom Shapes with Photoshop Patterns and change the title to: "Photoshop Shapes, Patterns & Styles" ** Do the same for Illustrator as well** Suggested by shelldevil

:bulletpink: Ensuring there is a generic art tutorials area for non software/media specific tutorials. Suggested by pica-ae and SenshiStock

:bulletpink: Vector, Vexel & Pixel tutorials should be kept separate because of how different they are. Recommended by TheLastHuzzah Krissi001 and MLAproduction

:bulletpink: Ensuring AC tutorials/Textiles, needlework & plush toys description is clear and concise to include tutorials for clothing that is not costumery. Recommended by Talty

:bulletpink: Including stone work and glass work in the new "Metal and Wood working" AC tutorials sub cat. Recommended by Talty

:bulletpink: Change the name of AC tuts/"Papercraft" to something more inclusive of other paper craft types such as origami and book binding etc to - "Folding & Papercraft" Recommended by Talty

:bulletpink: Add a specific sub cat for AC tuts/Miniatures for polymer clay food mini's and other mini items like doll house props/furniture etc. Recommended by Talty

:bulletpink: Add a specific top level resources/pixel resources gallery as per fractals and vector to better support pixel artists searching for related resources.  Suggested by krissi

We would love to hear your thoughts on these proposals, and any other suggestions/issues you can see in the stock and resources galleries :)



Suggestions and proposals for a makeover in the Resources gallery
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CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know this would be impossible as it would make the sub-cats for it massive.. but it would be nice to have a way to search for Premium Content Exclusive stocks. Sometimes it's just nice to have exclusives that a limited amount of people have used. It's looking great over all though!
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Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013  Professional General Artist
Or just have them flagged in a way we can highlight, that way there would be no need to have additional sub cats :)
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CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Apr 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:nod: Yepyep.. They're hard to find unless they put it in their keywords. :D
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Tannalein Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
How about dividing the Line-art and Character Sheets sub-cat? And maybe make it more clear somehow that the line-art and the characters are for other people's use. Also, I think Literature Templates sub-cat is totally out of control. The sub-cat description says: "Literature templates designed to enable writers to sell their written works in the same manner as visual artists." - I bet most people don't even understand what it means. They've turned it into a collection of random lists (there's a List of Nicknames for Bewbs in there :iconfacepalmplz:), written meme templates and, hell, I don't even know what to call most of the things I see in there. It's like every written thing that people don't know where to put goes in there. Those things should either be removed from there or given their own space - although I have no idea what categories you'd make for them, they're just too random. To me they fit best in journals. And do people really use Literature templates any more? For the purpose it was created, I mean.
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Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional General Artist
You're not the only one who doesn't know what to call some of those things D: We don't enter alone, its too scary lol ;)

There is a HUGE misconception about character sheets that are for other people to use, and character sheets that are of your own characters that should be in the digital or traditional art galleries, but no matter how often we try to explain, we get ignored :/ Its very very frustrating.

There is actually a memes sub gallery under deviantart related/devious fun/memes but most people again, would rather stick stuff in whatever gallery they find first which more than anything, should be their scrapbook area. As for the actual sub cat of literature templates being relevant, I will flag it up on the list for review, because it might actually not be :nod:

Thanks for the feedback!!
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Tannalein Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Maybe the way to remove confusion would be to remove character sheets. From what I can see, people mostly have the right idea for the line-art, and it's a good category for both people who want to offer their line-art for color and people who are looking for things to color, and also a lot less chances for copyright/theft issues, because even if people put line-art there by mistake they're probably going to be less upset if someone colors it, then if someone takes and uses their characters by mistake. Still, I have no idea how many people use the sub-cat correctly and might get upset if it's removed. Maybe to label it better? Something clear like "give-aways" with a sub-cat "line-art" and a sub-cat "char sheets". Not "Give-aways" per se, it's a somewhat unprofessional term, but something along those lines to make it clear you're giving it away if you post it in there.
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional General Artist
:nod: I get what you mean. :D They will definitely be reviewed and fingers crossed we can come up with either a better solution, or a much clearer set of defined gallery descriptions.
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silentfuneral Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013   Digital Artist
:w00t: wonderful article hon :love:
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013  Professional General Artist
:D
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ldymech Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I could have spent all day reporting miscats. I went through page after page of Justin Beiber and Selena pictures in Tutorials > Photoshop. Also before and after pics are not tutorials. I'm getting so tired of seeing Google used as a source for stock. Please be honest, do you actually want me to spend hour reporting all of these?
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
Firstly, we are asking for suggestions for improving the category structure of the gallery, rather than asking for complaints that really aren't going to help us work on a better solution.

Secondly, we are fully aware that there is a significant issue with non legitimate stock images in the gallery, which we are actively working to combat every day. We certainly don't expect you to report every single image. You can alternatively send us a note with a link to the account for us to have a look at if you have time - but thats up to you :)
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ldymech Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If it were not for the Resource Gallery, I would not be on dA at all. I have been here for six years and I also have stock in my gallery. I have no problem with the sub cats in Stock Images. Some of the other categories could use some sub cats. Especially the 3d cat. I think maybe a seperate cat for tubes.

I appologise for just complaining, but I really do want to help clean up dA I'm just not sure how to go about it or if it is appreciated. I know y'all get tons of reports daily and don't have enough people to keep up with them. I appreciate the work you are doing. I just get overwhelmed sometimes when I'm looking for something and have to spend a lot of time scrolling through miscats. I do love the scrolling ability. Thanks for that.
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Professional General Artist
:) The best way if you come across a particular gallery that has a lot of non legit images such as celeb stuff etc is to pop us a quick note - means you don't have to spend forever reporting individual images - which nobody really wants to do! Or if there is a particular sub category that needs some direct attention again, just pop us a note as it means we can take a look a lot faster.
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ldymech Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you, I can do that.
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013  Professional General Artist
:thumbsup:
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EveLivesey Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional Photographer
I can never get my head round the difference between Places versus Nature :eyepopping: - isn't a field a place etc etc - could we perhaps just have a background type category and split it into outside and inside or exterior/interior?
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
Places versus nature is purely broken down into "does it have anything man made in it". If the shot does, then its a "place" if theres nothing man made then it is nature. The exception to that can be nature trails through woods etc, they are man made in that they were created by people using the same path through the trees but there is no other sign of human habitation/buildings.
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EveLivesey Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional Photographer
So if a mountain shot has one tiny house in it - it is a place?
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
You could call that a technicality, I suppose it depends on how pedantic you want to be about it. If 99% of the shot is a huge mountain range, and there happens to be a tiny little hut thats only a few pixels in diameter and is not the focus of the image, nobody is going to exactly tell you off for posting it into the nature/landscapes category. ;)
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EveLivesey Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional Photographer
Oh okay - thanks :hug:
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
NP :)
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:iconevelivesey:
EveLivesey Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional Photographer
:hug:
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GeminiArtNStock Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013   Digital Artist
if it wasn't for this beta feature More Like This it would take forever to go through the resources and stock section on DA
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
its certainly a "faster" way to browse, but it misses out a lot of artwork thats not as popular I've found.
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GeminiArtNStock Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2013   Digital Artist
i like the more like this feature
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FrozenStarRo Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
3D models could use some subcategories, for the many different 3D applications like 3DS Max, Poser, Bryce, Vue, Carrara, etc. It would make it easier to trace things that work for each, since the filetypes vary and not all are compatible for imports to one another.

Each category under Stock images could use a sub-category that goes by "Isolated". Where all those extracted PNG tubes can find a home.

A category under Textures for Seamless Patterns. Because some of us can create seamless patterns from our photo textures that are easily accesible for 3D use. The Application Resources/ PS Patterns isn't suitable because I am talking .JPG files not Photoshop .PAT files.
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Professional General Artist
Okie dokie! Thanks for the feedback! :hug:
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SarahReneeCreations Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I like the proposed changes but I would love to a see a sub cat especially for Photoshop curves. I see a lot of curves in he photoshop actions sub cat and actions and curves are no where near being the same.
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Professional General Artist
We've already had a suggestion to merge all the "preset" options for photoshop, so I am presuming curves will be included with actions, patterns and styles as a catch all rather than needing all separate sub cats.
We know they aren't the "same", but all being effectively preset macros for Photoshop its reasonable to merge them. Especially as at the moment some have a sub cat and others as you mention don't. :nod:
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Krissi001 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
I was wondering what will happen to "Fractal Resources" and "Vector Resources". Are those going to stay or will they be moved or removed?
Because if they are going to stay then I would like to suggest a Gallery for "Pixel resources" (Probably with Sub categories for "basic" pixel resources and categories for Emoticons and Dolls [I don't know what the doll community thinks about it, but I didn't want to excluded them :P])
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013  Professional General Artist
They will probably stay unless they have performed some heinous crime or we get a better suggestion lol

^SaTaNiA has done a journal for fractal resources here; [link] which you can leave suggestions on.

Really, we're trying to make fewer galleries rather than adding more. Theres a lot of stuff thats been added over the years thats effectively defunct and we only keep them because of the legacy issues.

What sub cats or requirements would a "pixel resources" gallery have that doesn't already exist?
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:iconkrissi001:
Krissi001 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013
I admit that some of these deviations can be submitted to current categories. But it makes it difficult to specifically search for pixel/emoticon resources, if these deviants don't have "pixel"/"emoticon" /"resource" in the tag or somewhere else in their description.
Here are a few example of what I believe could be submitted in this gallery:
[link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link] , [link]

I thought it was worth it, to suggest it :la:
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013  Professional General Artist
I can see your point although looking at the examples, quite a few would fit in resources/line art & character sheets or designs & patterns/other but I get that it would be "easier" to search having one main location for this type of stuff. I will add it as a suggestion though :nod:
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Krissi001 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2013
thanks! :tighthug:
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Charmed-Ravenclaw Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Awesome work guys! Keep it up!
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013  Professional General Artist
:salute:
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TehAngelsCry Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
This new categorisation looks awesome :la: Good job all! I don't envy the workload ahead of you xD
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013  Professional General Artist
:D Hopefully it won't be a massively difficult job! Fingers crossed lol
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:icontalty:
Talty Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013   Artisan Crafter
*ideally* I would like Tutorials/Artisan Crafts to have the same subcats as the Artisan Crafts gallery, just because those of us that are already familiar with the folders on Artisan Crafts would know what to expect and where to search :slow: but I understand that you want to avoid creating too many subcats, and I support that.

That said, I like how you're trying to group the galleries, and here's my comments:

.......Textiles, needlework & plush toys - I'm curious if textiles will include clothes that don't fit "costumery", I guess a good description could avoid miscats here. I assume this gallery is going to include sewing, plushies, crochet, knitting, embroidery and such?
.......Metal and Wood Working - If you're making this a gallery for materials, maybe it would work to add glass and stonework. Stonework is one of the galleries we may add to Artisan Crafts.
.......Costumery and Props - A good idea to give these a separate gallery!
.......Sculpting - Agreed!
.......Jewelry - Definitely needed, great addition.
.......Papercraft - It may work to change the name or write a great description to indicate that origami, bookbinding, papercutting, etc all go here. We got that fixed with the subcats of "Folding & Papercraft" in Artisan Crafts, but papercraft is actually the name of a craft (lol) and so people may think that this gallery is exclusive for it.

A ridiculous majority of the artisan crafts tutorials I've found are polymer clay food tutorials... I'm a bit guilty of this too :lol: They don't quite fit any of the proposed new galleries, since they're not all used for jewelry and I guess they could be miniature sculptures, but not quite either. I propose the creation of a miniatures (or similar) subcat, not only it could include the clay food tutorials, but also dollhouse props (furniture, cutlery, etc) since there's also many of them.

I'm really excited about the changes and I will try to think of more ideas :D
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Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional General Artist
Loving your suggestions!! I think a lot of the confusion would be avoided with descrips that actually make sense to people.
Clothing in textiles - yes, a good descrip here that explicitly outlines what some of the other AC sub cats cover by themselves will help a lot.
I can't see any reason why we can't include glass and stonework into metal and woodworking.
I was a bit stumped when it came to naming "papercraft" so if you can come up with a more appropriate title for that it would be great!
Polymer clay miniature things are annoying that they don't fit anywhere lol I'm sure we could squeeze in 1 more sub cat for minitures or something :nod:

I have no doubt we'll need to poke you about descrips as and when the makeover gets approved (or not XD) In the mean time I'll pop your suggestions into the journal :thumbsup: Thanks sweety!
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:icontalty:
Talty Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013   Artisan Crafter
I have to agree with everything you said! And feel free to poke me as much as needed, I would love to help :)

Thanks for adding my suggestions!

I have been thinking of a different name, and all I can think of is using the same name we already have in AC XD Folding & Papercraft
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Professional General Artist
Cool beans, and does make sense to keep the same definitions across both galleries, so "Folding & Papercraft" it is :)
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TheLastHuzzah Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013
The one and only issue I have with the proposed changes, is putting Vector, Vexel & Pixel art tutorials together, because they're all completely different, and I think that would be a step backward, and fairly annoying :paranoid: Everything else looks magnificent :la:
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:iconelandria:
Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013  Professional General Artist
Yer I wasn't convinced about sticking those in one sub cat either :nod:
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BloodMoonEquinox Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Student General Artist
More subcats for the Artisan Crafts tutorials is a fantastic idea--it seems that at the moment, a lot of those tuts are tossed in the "Misc" folder. :) I think that more people would be inspired to try some of the artisan crafts tutorials if it was easier to find what they were looking for! :D

And the proposed Photoshop tutorials recategorizing (is that even a word? :?) looks so much cleaner and more organized than it is right now--I'm really eager to see how that works out! :happybounce:

Keep up all the great work you and ^PirateLotus-Stock do for the S&R Gallery! :tighthug:
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Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013  Professional General Artist
We will try!! :D
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Carlsbergensis Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I know that you Americans spell things in your own special way but in consideration of the rest of the world is it possible to spell Jewellery our way?
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pica-ae Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional Interface Designer
Wouldn't Mandarin or Spanish be of better use then? ;) Both are spoken by more people than English, so if you want to please the rest of the world…
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Elandria Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2013  Professional General Artist
Given that I'm English, I have to go with the way its spelt on DA. ;)
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Magical525 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Artisan Crafts:

YES!!! We need more cats. We definitively need one for cross stitch patterns - there are so many and they are not all that easy to find. At the moment my patterns end up in "Resources & Stock Images / Designs & Patterns / Needlework / Other" which doesn't really make much sense.

I'd prefer Resources/Artisan Crafts/needlework/cross stitch

Don't forget that artisan crafts don't just do tutorials but also have lots of patterns so they too need to be able to be represented and just having "tutorials" will still leave pattern makers without a correct category.

Please don't dump textiles/needlework/plushies together as that will *still* give a big mess but give each their own subcat :)
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